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Ard UnjiiGo
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Posted - 2009.11.11 22:11:00 -
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Appreciate your thoughts. As a low-sec pirate, here's my take on your thoughts. Not flaming. Just trying to be constructive.
 Originally by: Isabellle
what i find most fascinating is the general breakdown in morals and ethics
You have a chess set. Are there any morals or ethics to playing chess? You have rules. You play by them and try to win and have fun. EVE has the EULA (rules). You play by it and try to win (as you define it) and have fun.
Originally by: Isabellle
terrorist
(OK. That's a tiny flame but you really had it coming here.)
Originally by: Isabellle
I for one feel it is more rewarding fighting for a cause, or at the least fighting for some material gain.
It's a sandbox. There's no "cause" except to have fun. There's no "material gain" to be had. It's all just pixels owned by CCP.
Originally by: Isabellle
I would hope/assume the greater EVE community is on the same page as me and doesn't partake in these activities.
You might possibly be making a wrong assumption here. Haven't seen an EVE-wide poll on the matter, however, many of the key founders of the game were PvPer/Gankers in UO. 
Originally by: Isabellle
This is the same kind of thinking behind sparypainting someones car or running a key down the side of someones car as you pass by on the sidewalk.
No. It's not.
You mentioned chess.
If you manage to "work" really hard to promote a pawn to a queen but you weren't paying enough attention and I capture your new Queen with my Rook. Is that the same as egging your house?
Originally by: Isabellle
I suppose i should be glad more people exorcise this inner idiot on a game as opposed to real life.
If they are having fun, no matter how they play the game within the EULA, they are not idiots. They are wise users of their subscription fee and their recreational time.
Originally by: Isabellle
I KNOW IT IS JUST A GAME, but It is still interesting from a sociological perspective
When people have to say "I KNOW IT IS JUST A GAME" than you can be sure the odds are that they probably don't. No offense.
What's interesting, from a psychological perspective, is that so many otherwise intelligent and well educated individuals can take a shellacking in virtually any other type of competitive recreational game and maintain a healthy perspective. BUT give them an avatar and some virtual "property" and, when they lose, there's all this incredible butthurt that has to be salved by trying to characterize the "winner" of the game as emotionally/morally/ethically bankrupt.
Go figure. 
Originally by: Isabellle
At any rate I'm glad I found EVE and hope to continue having a great time playing the game
Glad you found the game as well and hope you continue to enjoy it. It'll be easier if you decide to leave any self-righteous moral outrage about how others try to enjoy this game at the log-in screen.
Good luck. 
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Ard UnjiiGo
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Posted - 2009.11.11 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder
Is that sociopathic behavior?
As a psychology student you should have access to the DSM-IV if you don't already own a copy.
Go look up the criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder and then why don't you tell us how blowing up internet spaceships in a game about blowing up internet spaceships fits the criteria.
Good luck with that. 
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.11.11 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ard UnjiiGo on 11/11/2009 23:01:28
Originally by: Burnharder
Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo
Originally by: Burnharder
Is that sociopathic behavior?
As a psychology student you should have access to the DSM-IV if you don't already own a copy.
Go look up the criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder and then why don't you tell us how blowing up internet spaceships in a game about blowing up internet spaceships fits the criteria.
Good luck with that.
I pretty much could have guessed that someone would reduce the argument to an absurdity. This isn't about blowing up internet spaceships in general, it's about baiting n00bs. There's a subtle difference that I think you're missing here.
You pointed out that Vaal was supporting part of his arguments with ad hominem attacks.
You make a counter argument based on "intuition".
I provide you the opening to base your argument on more than "intuition" and you side-step.
Want to try again?
When my father taught me chess he was a masterful player well-versed in the rules, strategies and tactics. I was a kid. My father never once threw a game to me (thank goodness or I would be an even more terrible chess player). Was my father a sociopathic noob griefer? 
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